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Post by wolfandlionpower on Mar 17, 2016 22:31:14 GMT -5
Is suppose to be!!! We're doing a good job! Yes, Yes we are. Lemme send you a PM. Kay!!
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Post by neosaiyanangel on Mar 17, 2016 22:55:20 GMT -5
I have a pretty touchy question to ask that would be worth some debate...
...was Rufus making Eric melt/deflate at the end of So the Drama murder? Was Eric aware enough to be sentient and thus have it be considered a murder?
My opinion is that yes, it was murder. Yes, Eric was a terrible person, but he was still a person. He had feelings, opinions, ideas of what HE wanted to do. He cared about his father, Drakken, and wanted to help him succeed in conquering the world. He seemed to have plans for after the world was conquered, and he seemed to want a relationship with Shego.
Rufus' intent was pretty clear. It's made apparent that Rufus was trying to kill Eric by comparing his annoyed gnawing on Eric's foot from earlier in the movie to the vicious bite that burst Eric's exosuit. He knew and NEEDED the bite to rupture the suit to make sure Eric would be put out of commission and drop the dart so it would disable the tower. He hadn't meant or intended to hurt Eric the first time. That bite wasn't meant to hurt. The bite on the tower was meant to hurt and kill him. Rufus KNEW what a ruptured suit meant to an synthodrone from earlier in the movie and yet did it anyway.
It was, however, also a completely justified murder. It was between Eric's life and the fate of the world. BILLIONS of people were at risk. There was only a few seconds to decide, and Rufus made the decision to save the majority even if it meant having a murder on his paws. If his bite would've just made Eric hurt and drop the dart I think Rufus would've done it. There just was no other way.
So yes, Rufus did commit murder. It was, however, a murder done in defense of the entire world.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2016 23:11:08 GMT -5
I have a pretty touchy question to ask that would be worth some debate... ...was Rufus making Eric melt/deflate at the end of So the Drama murder? Was Eric aware enough to be sentient and thus have it be considered a murder? My opinion is that yes, it was murder. Yes, Eric was a terrible person, but he was still a person. He had feelings, opinions, ideas of what HE wanted to do. He cared about his father, Drakken, and wanted to help him succeed in conquering the world. He seemed to have plans for after the world was conquered, and he seemed to want a relationship with Shego. Rufus' intent was pretty clear. It's made apparent that Rufus was trying to kill Eric by comparing his annoyed gnawing on Eric's foot from earlier in the movie to the vicious bite that burst Eric's exosuit. He knew and NEEDED the bite to rupture the suit to make sure Eric would be put out of commission and drop the dart so it would disable the tower. He hadn't meant or intended to hurt Eric the first time. That bite wasn't meant to hurt. The bite on the tower was meant to hurt and kill him. Rufus KNEW what a ruptured suit meant to an synthodrone from earlier in the movie and yet did it anyway. It was, however, also a completely justified murder. It was between Eric's life and the fate of the world. BILLIONS of people were at risk. There was only a few seconds to decide, and Rufus made the decision to save the majority even if it meant having a murder on his paws. If his bite would've just made Eric hurt and drop the dart I think Rufus would've done it. There just was no other way. So yes, Rufus did commit murder. It was, however, a murder done in defense of the entire world. No. Synth drones do not count. However, if you wanna play that card. Fine. It was a justifiable Homicide.
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Post by wolfandlionpower on Mar 17, 2016 23:14:46 GMT -5
I have a pretty touchy question to ask that would be worth some debate... ...was Rufus making Eric melt/deflate at the end of So the Drama murder? Was Eric aware enough to be sentient and thus have it be considered a murder? My opinion is that yes, it was murder. Yes, Eric was a terrible person, but he was still a person. He had feelings, opinions, ideas of what HE wanted to do. He cared about his father, Drakken, and wanted to help him succeed in conquering the world. He seemed to have plans for after the world was conquered, and he seemed to want a relationship with Shego. Rufus' intent was pretty clear. It's made apparent that Rufus was trying to kill Eric by comparing his annoyed gnawing on Eric's foot from earlier in the movie to the vicious bite that burst Eric's exosuit. He knew and NEEDED the bite to rupture the suit to make sure Eric would be put out of commission and drop the dart so it would disable the tower. He hadn't meant or intended to hurt Eric the first time. That bite wasn't meant to hurt. The bite on the tower was meant to hurt and kill him. Rufus KNEW what a ruptured suit meant to an synthodrone from earlier in the movie and yet did it anyway. It was, however, also a completely justified murder. It was between Eric's life and the fate of the world. BILLIONS of people were at risk. There was only a few seconds to decide, and Rufus made the decision to save the majority even if it meant having a murder on his paws. If his bite would've just made Eric hurt and drop the dart I think Rufus would've done it. There just was no other way. So yes, Rufus did commit murder. It was, however, a murder done in defense of the entire world. Well if you put it like that then yeah it sounds like murder..,
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Post by wolfandlionpower on Mar 17, 2016 23:17:28 GMT -5
I have a pretty touchy question to ask that would be worth some debate... ...was Rufus making Eric melt/deflate at the end of So the Drama murder? Was Eric aware enough to be sentient and thus have it be considered a murder? My opinion is that yes, it was murder. Yes, Eric was a terrible person, but he was still a person. He had feelings, opinions, ideas of what HE wanted to do. He cared about his father, Drakken, and wanted to help him succeed in conquering the world. He seemed to have plans for after the world was conquered, and he seemed to want a relationship with Shego. Rufus' intent was pretty clear. It's made apparent that Rufus was trying to kill Eric by comparing his annoyed gnawing on Eric's foot from earlier in the movie to the vicious bite that burst Eric's exosuit. He knew and NEEDED the bite to rupture the suit to make sure Eric would be put out of commission and drop the dart so it would disable the tower. He hadn't meant or intended to hurt Eric the first time. That bite wasn't meant to hurt. The bite on the tower was meant to hurt and kill him. Rufus KNEW what a ruptured suit meant to an synthodrone from earlier in the movie and yet did it anyway. It was, however, also a completely justified murder. It was between Eric's life and the fate of the world. BILLIONS of people were at risk. There was only a few seconds to decide, and Rufus made the decision to save the majority even if it meant having a murder on his paws. If his bite would've just made Eric hurt and drop the dart I think Rufus would've done it. There just was no other way. So yes, Rufus did commit murder. It was, however, a murder done in defense of the entire world. Well if you put it like that then yeah it sounds like murder.., But I have to agree on Tenente here Sythno Drones don't really count? If they are real living thing...
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Post by neosaiyanangel on Mar 17, 2016 23:17:56 GMT -5
I have a pretty touchy question to ask that would be worth some debate... ...was Rufus making Eric melt/deflate at the end of So the Drama murder? Was Eric aware enough to be sentient and thus have it be considered a murder? My opinion is that yes, it was murder. Yes, Eric was a terrible person, but he was still a person. He had feelings, opinions, ideas of what HE wanted to do. He cared about his father, Drakken, and wanted to help him succeed in conquering the world. He seemed to have plans for after the world was conquered, and he seemed to want a relationship with Shego. Rufus' intent was pretty clear. It's made apparent that Rufus was trying to kill Eric by comparing his annoyed gnawing on Eric's foot from earlier in the movie to the vicious bite that burst Eric's exosuit. He knew and NEEDED the bite to rupture the suit to make sure Eric would be put out of commission and drop the dart so it would disable the tower. He hadn't meant or intended to hurt Eric the first time. That bite wasn't meant to hurt. The bite on the tower was meant to hurt and kill him. Rufus KNEW what a ruptured suit meant to an synthodrone from earlier in the movie and yet did it anyway. It was, however, also a completely justified murder. It was between Eric's life and the fate of the world. BILLIONS of people were at risk. There was only a few seconds to decide, and Rufus made the decision to save the majority even if it meant having a murder on his paws. If his bite would've just made Eric hurt and drop the dart I think Rufus would've done it. There just was no other way. So yes, Rufus did commit murder. It was, however, a murder done in defense of the entire world. No. Synth drones do not count. However, if you wanna play that card. Fine. It was a justifiable Homicide. Why don't synthodrones count? He acted and looked perfectly human. Seemed to have emotions, think like a person, etc... And what do you mean by card? I just wanted to have a debate on something that was admittedly a tad delicate but could've made for an interesting talk. If it's too delicate, then I apologize and I'll drop it.
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Post by christhecynic on Mar 18, 2016 7:38:28 GMT -5
I think Eric was definitely a person-level AI, though I wouldn't quite call it murder. Rufus kills Eric at the climax of a battle, he doesn't necessarily know that that would be a lethal blow (though... maybe he did; Kim and Ron acted like they knew Eric was doomed), and either way that was necessary to save the world. The reason that Kim kicking Shego into the tower stands out as non-heroic is because the battle was over and Shego wasn't a threat at that point. (Also, even if she were, excessive force.) With Eric it was in the thick of the battle and he was proving the greatest threat and had just taken possession of the one thing Team Possible actually needed to win. And on the question of excessive force or not, Rufus had no non-lethal means at his disposal. His only weapon was his bite, and apparently any bite hard enough to puncture was lethal to Eric. * * * My reasons for saying that Eric was a person are along the same lines as Neo. Eric was definitely a thinking, feeling being. We really see it when he's no longer faking being human. He's a jerk, but he's independently acting, reasonably quick thinking, and he shows various emotions. The strongest show of this is when he's actually dying. That's not how a Bebe dies. That's how a human being might act while dying (mind you the details would have to be different, say poison instead of goo of life draining out.) Even his insulting of naked mole rats tends towards classifying him as a person. A nasty person, a bully who takes joy in putting others down, but someone who has opinions, beliefs, and feelings. Eric was a horrible person who Rufus killed. But again, killing a person isn't always murder, and I wouldn't call what Rufus did murder. It was arguably necessary and it was done in the middle of a fight that Rufus didn't start where the stakes were the fate of the world. It wouldn't be called "murder". What it would be called depends on the exact legal status of Team Possible, but not murder. Quibbling over terminology doesn't change that Rufus killed someone. Nor does it change that he was the first member of Team Possible to cross that line. * * * If I sound like I've put thought into this before, it's because ... well, chapter 11 of Being more than a Simulacrum. I've written about this before, though then it was mediated by the thoughts and minds of fictional characters. The one trying to do that "being more than" --Leela Place Possible, a clone of Kim with all of Kim's canon memories-- talks with Joss about Team Possible and killing. Joss has been thinking about Ron and the Lorwardians, Leela Place brings up the roof of Bueno Nacho HQ. Leela Place is very different from Kim for a variety of reasons, one of the big ones is that her first vivid memory of Kim's after her creation and thus learning she wasn't Kim, was the tower scene. It left her with a very negative view of Kim because instead of viewing it in the context of Kim's larger life, she ends up viewing Kim's larger life in the context of that one moment of overboard violence. I think the biggest other difference is that the knowledge she's a copy, and that the vast majority of her memories aren't even hers, has made her very introspective in a way that Kim never was. (She has a tendency to get lost in her own head in a way that's very unkimlike.) Of course the whole story is about becoming a distinct person, so the differences should be growing, or at least solidifying, the more it goes on. And that is chapter 11.
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Post by neosaiyanangel on Mar 18, 2016 12:50:14 GMT -5
I think Eric was definitely a person-level AI, though I wouldn't quite call it murder. Rufus kills Eric at the climax of a battle, he doesn't necessarily know that that would be a lethal blow (though... maybe he did; Kim and Ron acted like they knew Eric was doomed), and either way that was necessary to save the world. The reason that Kim kicking Shego into the tower stands out as non-heroic is because the battle was over and Shego wasn't a threat at that point. (Also, even if she were, excessive force.) With Eric it was in the thick of the battle and he was proving the greatest threat and had just taken possession of the one thing Team Possible actually needed to win. And on the question of excessive force or not, Rufus had no non-lethal means at his disposal. His only weapon was his bite, and apparently any bite hard enough to puncture was lethal to Eric. * * * My reasons for saying that Eric was a person are along the same lines as Neo. Eric was definitely a thinking, feeling being. We really see it when he's no longer faking being human. He's a jerk, but he's independently acting, reasonably quick thinking, and he shows various emotions. The strongest show of this is when he's actually dying. That's not how a Bebe dies. That's how a human being might act while dying (mind you the details would have to be different, say poison instead of goo of life draining out.) Even his insulting of naked mole rats tends towards classifying him as a person. A nasty person, a bully who takes joy in putting others down, but someone who has opinions, beliefs, and feelings. Eric was a horrible person who Rufus killed. But again, killing a person isn't always murder, and I wouldn't call what Rufus did murder. It was arguably necessary and it was done in the middle of a fight that Rufus didn't start where the stakes were the fate of the world. It wouldn't be called "murder". What it would be called depends on the exact legal status of Team Possible, but not murder. Quibbling over terminology doesn't change that Rufus killed someone. Nor does it change that he was the first member of Team Possible to cross that line. * * * If I sound like I've put thought into this before, it's because ... well, chapter 11 of Being more than a Simulacrum. I've written about this before, though then it was mediated by the thoughts and minds of fictional characters. The one trying to do that "being more than" --Leela Place Possible, a clone of Kim with all of Kim's canon memories-- talks with Joss about Team Possible and killing. Joss has been thinking about Ron and the Lorwardians, Leela Place brings up the roof of Bueno Nacho HQ. Leela Place is very different from Kim for a variety of reasons, one of the big ones is that her first vivid memory of Kim's after her creation and thus learning she wasn't Kim, was the tower scene. It left her with a very negative view of Kim because instead of viewing it in the context of Kim's larger life, she ends up viewing Kim's larger life in the context of that one moment of overboard violence. I think the biggest other difference is that the knowledge she's a copy, and that the vast majority of her memories aren't even hers, has made her very introspective in a way that Kim never was. (She has a tendency to get lost in her own head in a way that's very unkimlike.) Of course the whole story is about becoming a distinct person, so the differences should be growing, or at least solidifying, the more it goes on. And that is chapter 11. Ah! That sounds like Bego from King in Yellow's Best Enemies universe. That is an interesting point to bring up on clones. I think that we can all agree that the clones from Kimitation Nation were non-sentient - not even close - and so offing them was no different than taking down a robot or something like that. Leela, however, was given the capacity to learn, think, conclude things on her own. The second she was created and started experiencing things herself was the second that she was human in my opinion. Your point about Kim and Ron seeing Eric as doomed... While I don't see them as thinking that per se, I DO think that they had categorized Eric as a 'thing' after the reveal, and thus when he was 'destroyed' it was no big. They didn't see him as human/sentient so his death didn't matter to them because he was not a person. That makes me wonder on the lines drawn in that universe on what constitutes a sentient being vs some kind of crazy mad scientist stuff that is always categorized as being non-sentient. I well and truly think that Kim and Ron just didn't think it was murder or even someone dying. I think they just saw another nasty synthodrone getting wrecked.
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Post by christhecynic on Mar 18, 2016 14:12:49 GMT -5
Definitely the Kim Possible Universe has a lot of non-human intelligence. Beyond Eric and aliens, SADI (AI for Dr Foster's self driving vehicle) and Oliver (Vivan Porter's android) both seemed to rise to the level of person. On the flip side, as I've already mentioned, the Bebes really don't. They've definitely got some intelligence and, as Drakken notes, a hint of emotion, but other than their mechanical prowess (they stole the components to make an assembly line and then got it up and running, along with the Bonnie hive mind chamber) there are dogs that seem a whole lot smarter than them. Right now serious discussions about the ethics of such things are relegated internet forums like this and academia (moral philosophy, specifically theoretical ethics) in the world of Kim Possible it should be a serious matter because for them it's applied ethics which has to do with how one raises their children (don't kick puppies) and makes laws (murder is bad, ok?) but it doesn't look like they've really come to terms with it (which makes it easier to present it as "our world plus" instead of "strange and different alternate universe") and as a result Kim, Ron, and Rufus are no more prepared to deal with the idea of non-human people (with the possible exception of Rufus, who the recognize as more than a normal animal) than average people in the real world are. Short version: The KP universe calls for certain ethical questions to be addressed but the call hasn't been answered in it.
* * * Is killing an sapient alien (which come in at least two flavors in KP verse) the same as killing a human being? What about a human-level robot? If you have to be biologically human to count, the clones in Kimitation Nation were mostly human, but in the ways that I think count most they were far less human than Eric or Warmonga. (Which is to say, I agree with neo about getting rid of them not being a moral problem.)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 15:18:26 GMT -5
No. Synth drones do not count. However, if you wanna play that card. Fine. It was a justifiable Homicide. Why don't synthodrones count? He acted and looked perfectly human. Seemed to have emotions, think like a person, etc... And what do you mean by card? I just wanted to have a debate on something that was admittedly a tad delicate but could've made for an interesting talk. If it's too delicate, then I apologize and I'll drop it. Play that card is just a figure of speech. This is why I'm not fond of texting. You miss out on the "human aspects" of communication. Synth drones are still not human. It's like saying " artificial flowers look like real flowers, maybe even smell like real flowers. Still don't make them real..... one day we'll have a real Human chat on skype. Then you'll get to hear my sarcasm, and humor....
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Post by christhecynic on Mar 18, 2016 16:51:24 GMT -5
Synth drones are still not human. It's like saying " artificial flowers look like real flowers, maybe even smell like real flowers. Still don't make them real..... I'm having a kind of, "Yes, but..." moment. Eric wasn't a real human being. I don't think there's any debate about that. He very much was not human. Neither was Bilbo Baggins. Bilbo looked, more or less, like a human. Talked like one. Thought like one. Probably smelled like one. But he wasn't a real human. He was a Hobbit. Eric was a Synthodrone. Species covered. Still, if someone in the story had killed Bilbo (maybe I should have picked someone who did die in the story, Thorin perhaps) and then on a fan-board someone said, "Was Bilbo murdered," the conversation doesn't begin and end with "Hobbits do not count," because Hobbits are not human. You'd have to either defend why a Hobbit (which is not human) has less of a right to life than a human or the discussion would defualt to the assumption that Bilbo was a person and involve the circumstances of his death and whether or not the circumstances constituted murder. And for the record, I'm with you, what Rufus did was justified (and even if it hadn't been it wouldn't constitute murder, it would instead be excessive force again, given the circumstances.) - - - Of course maybe Eric wasn't a Bilbo or a Data, maybe he was more like zombie number three. Something that looks human but lacks the mind to be considered a person. And if you want to have that debate, well it's a fine debate to have. But it has nothing to do with the fact that Eric wasn't a (real) human, and a lot to do with what kind of non-human he was. Zombie number three doesn't count as a person because there's nothing inside except basic programming to attack and feed, Data does because there's an entire fully developed person inside. Granted it's inside a positronic net rather than a human brain, but stories have asked us to accept the idea of non-human people for so long (I study Classics, well and Mathematics but that doesn't come up here, so I point to things like Homer and Hesiod, but another might point to Norse Eddas or Babylonian Epic) that by the time Next Gen came out people were totally prepared to accept a robot as a full person worthy of the same treatment as a human being. Eric appeared in fiction a generation later. (Ish. What constitutes a generation is subject to great debate.)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 17:23:11 GMT -5
Synth drones are still not human. It's like saying " artificial flowers look like real flowers, maybe even smell like real flowers. Still don't make them real..... I'm having a kind of, "Yes, but..." moment. Eric wasn't a real human being. I don't think there's any debate about that. He very much was not human. Neither was Bilbo Baggins. Bilbo looked, more or less, like a human. Talked like one. Thought like one. Probably smelled like one. But he wasn't a real human. He was a Hobbit. Eric was a Synthodrone. Species covered. Still, if someone in the story had killed Bilbo (maybe I should have picked someone who did die in the story, Thorin perhaps) and then on a fan-board someone said, "Was Bilbo murdered," the conversation doesn't begin and end with "Hobbits do not count," because Hobbits are not human. You'd have to either defend why a Hobbit (which is not human) has less of a right to life than a human or the discussion would defualt to the assumption that Bilbo was a person and involve the circumstances of his death and whether or not the circumstances constituted murder. And for the record, I'm with you, what Rufus did was justified (and even if it hadn't been it wouldn't constitute murder, it would instead be excessive force again, given the circumstances.) - - - Of course maybe Eric wasn't a Bilbo or a Data, maybe he was more like zombie number three. Something that looks human but lacks the mind to be considered a person. And if you want to have that debate, well it's a fine debate to have. But it has nothing to do with the fact that Eric wasn't a (real) human, and a lot to do with what kind of non-human he was. Zombie number three doesn't count as a person because there's nothing inside except basic programming to attack and feed, Data does because there's an entire fully developed person inside. Granted it's inside a positronic net rather than a human brain, but stories have asked us to accept the idea of non-human people for so long (I study Classics, well and Mathematics but that doesn't come up here, so I point to things like Homer and Hesiod, but another might point to Norse Eddas or Babylonian Epic) that by the time Next Gen came out people were totally prepared to accept a robot as a full person worthy of the same treatment as a human being. Eric appeared in fiction a generation later. (Ish. What constitutes a generation is subject to great debate.) Ok. So now that we agree that rufus' actions were justified. Can he get a teardrop tattoo under his left eye? ?
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Post by neosaiyanangel on Mar 18, 2016 17:42:51 GMT -5
I'm having a kind of, "Yes, but..." moment. Eric wasn't a real human being. I don't think there's any debate about that. He very much was not human. Neither was Bilbo Baggins. Bilbo looked, more or less, like a human. Talked like one. Thought like one. Probably smelled like one. But he wasn't a real human. He was a Hobbit. Eric was a Synthodrone. Species covered. Still, if someone in the story had killed Bilbo (maybe I should have picked someone who did die in the story, Thorin perhaps) and then on a fan-board someone said, "Was Bilbo murdered," the conversation doesn't begin and end with "Hobbits do not count," because Hobbits are not human. You'd have to either defend why a Hobbit (which is not human) has less of a right to life than a human or the discussion would defualt to the assumption that Bilbo was a person and involve the circumstances of his death and whether or not the circumstances constituted murder. And for the record, I'm with you, what Rufus did was justified (and even if it hadn't been it wouldn't constitute murder, it would instead be excessive force again, given the circumstances.) - - - Of course maybe Eric wasn't a Bilbo or a Data, maybe he was more like zombie number three. Something that looks human but lacks the mind to be considered a person. And if you want to have that debate, well it's a fine debate to have. But it has nothing to do with the fact that Eric wasn't a (real) human, and a lot to do with what kind of non-human he was. Zombie number three doesn't count as a person because there's nothing inside except basic programming to attack and feed, Data does because there's an entire fully developed person inside. Granted it's inside a positronic net rather than a human brain, but stories have asked us to accept the idea of non-human people for so long (I study Classics, well and Mathematics but that doesn't come up here, so I point to things like Homer and Hesiod, but another might point to Norse Eddas or Babylonian Epic) that by the time Next Gen came out people were totally prepared to accept a robot as a full person worthy of the same treatment as a human being. Eric appeared in fiction a generation later. (Ish. What constitutes a generation is subject to great debate.) Ok. So now that we agree that rufus' actions were justified. Can he get a teardrop tattoo under his left eye? ? Nah. I think he'd be better with a skull and an executioner's axe.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 18:01:47 GMT -5
Ok. Skull and axe it is !!!!
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Post by Luke Danger on Mar 18, 2016 20:48:37 GMT -5
In regards to Kim kicking Shego into the tower... sure in the context of STD alone it is out of no where. But when you consider the very long litany of stuff that Shego had done to Kim over the course of the series, it actually makes sense. Kim's on edge from Eric getting kidnapped, then she more or less had her heart viciously played as the inspiration for Frozen's big twist. She's not happy, to put it mildly. As far as she knows, Shego was fully in on it (particularly with Shego's snark like 'Hey Eric's cute. Once you're out of the picture, maybe I'll date him'). At this point, Kim had been well and truly pushed...
... and with how many times Shego had tried to kill Kim in the past, well, it all just blew over. StD was the spark and Kim took the kick. That's three or so years of attempted murder being repaid right there.
Now was hitting Shego that hard unjustified? Oh it definitely would register as Renegade/Dark Side/what have you. But let's not treat it as some kick with no reason to be happening. Shego debating between Minced Possible, Whipped Possible, and a Kimmie Frappe anyone?
Now, Rufus killing Eric... if that's murder, then we need to try every soldier for murder. It was combat, Eric was a hostile supporting a take over the world attempt that had fracking SKYSCRAPERS being demolished (ON SCREEN!) and it was Drakken's one scheme that was going well. Even if Eric was a human and the bite only caused him to drop it, he still would've been blown up. So... I wouldn't call it murder. Homicide? That's going into the kettle of fish of do you give AI human rights or not, but let's say the answer is "yes"... well, it'd be homicide the same way a police officer shooting an active shooter would be: at best a review of what happened, but unlikely to be any problems.
Personally I kind of liked it as a show that yes, even Kim can be pushed far. There was one deleted scene where Kim was debating showing Bonnie why trying to irritate the woman who's saved the world more times than Bonnie can count (and that's just the low bar), but deciding against it. Shego, however, is a different scale of evil. Bonnie, at her worst, is a manipulative and cruel mistress. Shego... works for a guy who's trying to take over the world.
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