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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2016 13:52:47 GMT -5
To further complicate things, Stop Team Go was actually written with Kigo shippers in mind. In universe it hardly matters why an episode was written or what the writers were thinking about, but in the real world there's a tangled meta mess. The episode is there to both throw a bone to the Kigo crowd and sink the ship in canon. Also, no idea if it was intentional or not (I don't know how much they planned ahead in Season 4), but it's really important for Graduation's pairing of Shego and Drakken. If the only canon had been previous implications that Shego isn't much older than Kim then that would be someone in a relationship with her boss who is old enough to be her father, retconning Shego into being an older individual makes the pairing less ... skeazy. (I think that's the neologism, at least.) I don't agree with that. I saw it more as Shego about to tell Kim how much she admires her, and reminds her ,a bit, of herself. It was more of a way of showing they were more alike than not. Also, if it was a 'Bone to the KiGo shippers'. why the attraction to Steve Barkin? That should have been omitted, one would think. As for the Drakken Pairing. Yeah, it was always implied that Shego was older, mid 20's - early 30's. remember all the little "old age' Quips that Ron and Kim would throw at her ? Besides. She acted like a grown woman with a bit of experience under her belt.
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Post by levi2000a on Mar 15, 2016 14:18:53 GMT -5
To further complicate things, Stop Team Go was actually written with Kigo shippers in mind. In universe it hardly matters why an episode was written or what the writers were thinking about, but in the real world there's a tangled meta mess. The episode is there to both throw a bone to the Kigo crowd and sink the ship in canon. This part I am willing to disagree with. I think the episode was embraced by Kigo shippers but not written with them in mind. In another thread on another board, Kurt Weldon, the writer for the episode, had this to say to a comment posted by Gagala. "Gagala: All in all I think it was very sadistic to change Shego and make so many hopes and dreams of so many KiGo fans come true, only to destroy all of it at the end." "Kurt Weldon: Alrighty then. Those of us who work on the show are in fact obligated to avoid just those sorts of scenarios that are constructed by the fans. While Disney has batallions of lawyers, not a one of them wants to deal with a disgruntled fan claiming we ripped off his or her fanfic. So we stay away from those altogether. Don't take this the wrong way, but the creators of the show aren't obligated to fulfill the expectations built up in the parallel universe of fan fiction. If anything, it's the other way around. Like the episode, dislike the episode -- that's your call. What Kim, Ron, Shego and anyone else do onscreen -- that's ours. (With the possible exception of "Grande Size Me.")" ronstoppable.proboards.com/thread/8429/stop-team-review?page=39 for the full discussion.
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Post by christhecynic on Mar 15, 2016 16:35:37 GMT -5
And my comment got eaten by the random internet aether. Reasonably quick version then. I didn't just randomly make it up that the episode was done with Kigo in mind, that's what was said about the episode before it aired one of Season 4 creators. It'll probably take a while to find that quote again. It's not like I saved it for posterity. Worth noting that the creators were expecting Kigo shippers to like the episode and, for the most part, that expectation was vindicated. An important think about the comment I had in mind being said before the episode came out is that it was said before anyone was put on the defensive by unreasonably angry fans. Also, it wasn't said as part of a sarcastic comment to one of the previous. Don't get me wrong, I don't have anything against sarcasm as a response to unreasonable aggrievement, but I'm not going to take seriously much of anything that comes from a comment that uses Spock's Brain as an example of how to do television right* and claims that you can't say, "I can't believe your mom's name is really Gertrude!!!" when evil. Hell, just stacking the exclamation points like that is pretty bad in itself. - * Even the people who made the episode it thought it was terrible and the title of the episode has literally, I am not making this up, become an esoteric jargon term meaning, "Worst episode in the entire series." So if one were to ask, "What's Kim Possible's Spock's Brain?" it would mean, "What is the single worst episode in Kim Possible?"
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Post by levi2000a on Mar 15, 2016 17:02:30 GMT -5
And my comment got eaten by the random internet aether. Reasonably quick version then. I didn't just randomly make it up that the episode was done with Kigo in mind, that's what was said about the episode before it aired one of Season 4 creators. It'll probably take a while to find that quote again. It's not like I saved it for posterity. Worth noting that the creators were expecting Kigo shippers to like the episode and, for the most part, that expectation was vindicated. It probably was, but was it written for that purpose of was it seen that way after it was written?An important think about the comment I had in mind being said before the episode came out is that it was said before anyone was put on the defensive by unreasonably angry fans. Also, it wasn't said as part of a sarcastic comment to one of the previous. Don't get me wrong, I don't have anything against sarcasm as a response to unreasonable aggrievement, but I'm not going to take seriously much of anything that comes from a comment that uses Spock's Brain as an example of how to do television right* and claims that you can't say, "I can't believe your mom's name is really Gertrude!!!" when evil. Hell, just stacking the exclamation points like that is pretty bad in itself. I think, and I may very well be wrong here, that Kurt Weldon was upset when he responded to what he saw as inaccuracies in G's original comment and would have needed someone with a mop to clean up the dripping sarcasm he used.
* Even the people who made the episode it thought it was terrible and the title of the episode has literally, I am not making this up, become an esoteric jargon term meaning, "Worst episode in the entire series." So if one were to ask, "What's Kim Possible's Spock's Brain?" it would mean, "What is the single worst episode in Kim Possible?" "Oh!! Aye know! Aye know!"he said as he frantically waved his hand wanting to be called upon.
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Post by christhecynic on Mar 15, 2016 17:22:22 GMT -5
I don't agree with that. I saw it more as Shego about to tell Kim how much she admires her, and reminds her ,a bit, of herself. Honestly I think the unfinished sentence was meant to be the least of it. It was more the almost immediate bonding, the time together, the way the photos were looked at, and such. Weldon's comment about not being able to follow fan fantasies isn't actually true (if it were then Kim/Ron would have been a no go, for example) but what is true is that they were never going outright support a Kigo reading of the show. I just looked this up and Disney didn't have a bisexual character until 2013 and even that was done under the auspices of ABC rather than on The Disney Channel. Shego wasn't going to be revealed to be bisexual* on The Disney Channel itself in 2007 (and if Weldon is to be believed in a non-hyperbolic manner it was written in 2006 because he didn't even work at Disney in 2007.) That's one of the smaller concerns though, the bigger one is that Kim Possible already had Kim/Ron as the One True Pair. In spite of what angry person on the internet thought, they were never going to go full Kigo. What they were willing to do, and again I'll have to dig up that old quote for exact words and such, was put in things that Kigo fans would like. And generally Kigo fans did like the episode. Showing her dating Barkin isn't making it any less of a treat for Kigo fans because the creators were never going to show her and Kim having anything but a platonic relationship and fans already knew that Shego liked men, it did, however, mean that everyone got to see the dogs being sent after Barkin at the end. - *She'd been established to be attracted to men since Season 1.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2016 17:41:07 GMT -5
I don't agree with that. I saw it more as Shego about to tell Kim how much she admires her, and reminds her ,a bit, of herself. Honestly I think the unfinished sentence was meant to be the least of it. It was more the almost immediate bonding, the time together, the way the photos were looked at, and such. Weldon's comment about not being able to follow fan fantasies isn't actually true (if it were then Kim/Ron would have been a no go, for example) but what is true is that they were never going outright support a Kigo reading of the show. I just looked this up and Disney didn't have a bisexual character until 2013 and even that was done under the auspices of ABC rather than on The Disney Channel. Shego wasn't going to be revealed to be bisexual* on The Disney Channel itself in 2007 (and if Weldon is to be believed in a non-hyperbolic manner it was written in 2006 because he didn't even work at Disney in 2007.) That's one of the smaller concerns though, the bigger one is that Kim Possible already had Kim/Ron as the One True Pair. In spite of what angry person on the internet thought, they were never going to go full Kigo. What they were willing to do, and again I'll have to dig up that old quote for exact words and such, was put in things that Kigo fans would like. And generally Kigo fans did like the episode. Showing her dating Barkin isn't making it any less of a treat for Kigo fans because the creators were never going to show her and Kim having anything but a platonic relationship and fans already knew that Shego liked men, it did, however, mean that everyone got to see the dogs being sent after Barkin at the end. - *She'd been established to be attracted to men since Season 1. I'm liking this discussion here. Please find that quote. Id' like to see it. I had this whole " long winded" response. then I re-read your opening sentence. I had to erase it..
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Post by buckmana on Mar 19, 2016 3:34:03 GMT -5
I always assumed Shego was in her early 20s, maybe 21 or 22.
The reasoning behind that was she was old enough to live independently, but not so old as to not be completely unrelatable to Kim. As in, she gets how the mind of a teenage girl works because she's not that far removed from one mentally and physically.
As in the time required to get her teaching degree, Drakken does point out that Shego is on Kim's intellectual level. So that could imply an equal ability to learn new things fast, as Kim finds mastering new skills relatively easy. If that was applied to her teaching qualifications, what might have taken normal people years could have only taken months for Shego.
I'm imagining it went something like this, she blitzed through the textbook, then sat the exam, passed and went onto the next one.
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Post by Muzzlehatch on Jul 15, 2016 19:50:10 GMT -5
I've always thought that Shego was in her early 30s since that was Nicole Sullivan's age when she did her first voice-overs. She definitely does not sound like someone in her twenties, she's seen a bit too much and done things that give a mature edge to her personality. She's a bit HARD, in other words.
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Post by buckmana on Jul 16, 2016 0:25:10 GMT -5
I always assumed early 20s, since she didn't seem that much more mature then Kim. Since they related well to each other in terms of common interests, etc, it would make sense that the age gap was relatively slight,
And you can't always relate academic qualifications to age. I don't know of any real world examples, but I have heard that if your intellect/comprehension exceeds your age group, then they move you up so you are at the level of learning you are suited for, Example: it doesn't do someone any good to be adding 2+3 when they can do advanced calculus in their head. It is quite possible that you might have a 12 year old in high school or a 15 year old doing their final year of college/post college studies if they were smart enough.
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Post by erikronkimfan on Sept 20, 2016 11:38:09 GMT -5
She kinda looked like she was in her mid 20's to me. Shego will always be my favorite villainess. She was gorgeous, an excellent fighter, & she always knew how to handle herself when putting up with Dr. Drakken.
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Post by christhecynic on Sept 27, 2016 19:59:29 GMT -5
I wanted to have a post where I just collected "This is literally everything we know" but I've tried a bunch of times and it never works. My usual computer broke and this one is painfully unstable. So instead I give you two things: - First, I'm going to give you what Steve Loter (for seasons two three and four he was second only to Mark McCorkle and Bob Schooley when it came to Kim Possible) said on the matter.
- Second I'm going to talk about how everything other than "I feel like Shego was [this old]," boils down to two questions and which canon stuff reflects on which question
Once upon a time there was a site called TV Tome, now there is but a redirect at that location and the place whither it sends you does not have the good content from TV Tome, and on that site Steve Loter answered fan questions about Kim Possible. These are the really important ones for this topic: So, if you trust Mr. Loter, Shego wasn't 18 when she met Kim in Tick Tick Tick but was in the vicinity and was still in her early twenties circa So The Drama. Now for the two things. You can approach it as, "How old did Shego seem?" and there's canon stuff to go on for that, but if you're trying to actually work out her age from a non-"seem" perspective it comes down to this: - How old was Shego when she quit being a hero?
- How long after that did she meet Kim?
It's generally assumed that Shego's degree was gotten before the good-evil switch, so that goes to question 1. It gives us a floor. When she made the hero-villain switch she was at least as old as she was when she got her degree. The bad news is that it's not as informative as we'd like because we don't know what kind of a degree it was. Child Development degrees range from Associate's (two year) to full on PhDs. For a one year certification to teach at Middleton High School as a substitute she wouldn't actually need a degree at all, so any of the possible Child Development degrees would work in her favor. Ideally we'd like a ceiling too since that gives us a possible range instead of the above which says 19/20 (depending on her birthday) to infinity. The Wegos are kind of helpful here since she obviously wasn't on the team long enough to be adults (since they're still teens in Stop Team Go) but the age gap between siblings varies wildly. The Wego's appear in a a more useful fashion when trying to place a ceiling on question two. They were of crime fighting age when Shego left Team Go. So their current age minus the minimum age for a crime fighting superhero is the absolute longest it can possibly be since Shego left Team Go. Here the hard part is finding a floor. As of Tick Tick Tick she's been evil long enough to be wanted in 11 countries and to have had her mug shot taken at least once. Whatever that means. On the other hand, she hasn't yet failed to Drakken's knowledge. (Meaning he either doesn't know she was arrested, or think's it wasn't a result of her failing.) In Tick Tick Tick she isn't exactly being subtle (the way she takes out the camera hides what she did, but makes absolutely clear that she was the one to do it) so she could have become wanted in 11 countries in the space of 11 quick thefts. Or it could have taken positively ages. And that's basically it. If you're not going, "Well based on X I think Shego is Y years old," (which, in honesty, I think is what most of us do) it all comes down to how old she was when she made her hero-villain turn and how long after that the show takes place.
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