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Post by levi2000a on Apr 6, 2016 0:41:59 GMT -5
If a group of teens were on their way to attend a concert by their favorite band and they crashed on their way, how would the parents and friends of the teens feel about that band? The crash wasn't their fault. They didn't cause it. But they would always be remembered as the reason the teens were on that road to begin with. AH! I understand what you meant now. Interesting way for people to view it... Sorry. That comparison was so much in my mind that I didn't articulate it properly to others before this. My bad.
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Post by neosaiyanangel on Apr 6, 2016 1:16:10 GMT -5
AH! I understand what you meant now. Interesting way for people to view it... Sorry. That comparison was so much in my mind that I didn't articulate it properly to others before this. My bad. Nah, it's fine. I have my fair share of gaffs on this board myself. The point got across eventually. ^_^
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Post by christhecynic on Apr 6, 2016 8:24:03 GMT -5
I've definitely read a lot of things that make Josh out to be a horrible person. Most of the stuff I've seen him play an important role in has him be at best a jerk and at worst ... wait, family friendly. At worst things which are unspeakable in a setting such as this. Complete monster, and not in a super villain way but instead in a "People like this really exist and that should make you angry, sad, and quite possibly frightened," which sort of adds to the bad because it takes away the disconnect between cartoon evil and real world evil.
In canon, though, he seems genuinely nice.
Also completely imperturbable, which is kind of his defining trait. Kim acts really weird on her date with him? He's still the same. Ron tries to convince him that he'd like to date a monkey? He's unfazed. So on.
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Post by Luke Danger on Apr 6, 2016 11:26:20 GMT -5
Honestly, Josh Mankey read to me as the standard issue cool guy, but he was never too developed. I mean we know he is part of a band (October 31st, mentioned in Blush as the guys who did the mural), has some unusual food tastes, is involved with quite a few events around school, and that he and Kim dated for a while before they grew apart.
Personally I have a headcanon that what happened was Kim's missions. They liked each other, but Josh just couldn't handle Kim having to go off and save the world all the time and had a hard time relating (and vice versa). Anyone here play Mount & Blade? The reason why poetry is used for wooing ladies (as male PCs trying to get into Calradia's dynastic politics) is, as stated by the wandering bards, as being neutral ground that both sides are on even footing since talking about the wars and such is more on the PC's side and the PC hasn't necessarily been knee-deep in court gossip (esp. if not actually part of a faction yet).
So... while they liked each other at first, they just couldn't get over the hurdles because Josh couldn't really connect with Kim's missions personally and vice versa Kim had gotten somewhat out of sync with the events back home and lacked quite a bit of relatable stuff there. They were able to stay together for a while, but eventually they grew apart from mutual realization. In my head I actually think that the aftermath of the second GBA game, Drakken's Demise (which I personally headcanon between S2 and S3, broadly), where Kim is late for her date, but Wade kept it going by using a holo-Kim (complete in mission wear) while Kim's busy fighting her way through henchmen, Destructobots, Shego, and Drakken getting a suit of power armor (more like a mech as seen in Crush, but whatever), and then Wade was going to have Kim switch out.
The game ends it with Kim getting going to link up, but we don't see the results. I kinda like to think that Josh figured out what was going on at some point, but played along understanding Kim's missions and figured it was probably Wade, but that ended up being the thing that pushed them apart since it really emphasized that their lifestyles were, at the time, simply too incompatible.
So it's not that Josh was malicious, just more... well, just couldn't connect and maybe felt he couldn't handle Kim going off all the time or, like Monique does in ASIT, figures he wouldn't be really able to keep up if he did try to join in. So they eventually talked it out, realized that they weren't going to work out, and by mutual understanding decided to drop the romance.
Then comes Erik who thinks Kim's missions are flat out cool and isn't intimidated by them at all... but Erik's a whole different kettle of fish. Mind Josh does comment on Kim's missions being impressive, but no more than what we usually see; the "Hey, you're Kim Possible. Didn't you save some ambassador in Dubai or something?"
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