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Post by neosaiyanangel on Mar 16, 2016 20:20:42 GMT -5
If you watch the tower scene in isolation, Kim looks like a villain. Shego's not looking for a fight and just walking, she reacts to seeing Kim with a fearful gasp*, Kim says that she hates Shego**, Kim has ... I think the term is a "curb-stomp battle" where she beats Shego in a single blow proving that this could not possibly have been self defense, as a result Shego should have died many times over***, and then comes the bad part: dramatic music, zoom in on Kim who has every reason to think she just killed Shego, lighting strikes and thunder cracks in the background, timed to one of those lighting strikes: Kim smiles. She doesn't come off looking like a hero; she comes off looking like someone who takes joy in killing. To bring this back around to the beginning of the thread, I'd like to have seen the fallout from that night in general. Kim and Ron trying to transition from being friends to being a couple after the adrenaline high wore off. Dealing with Ron's worries from Emotion Sickness (that romance could threaten their friendship.) But also Kim having to come to terms with the fact that she went overboard and her actions really should have been quite deadly. She got spared from being a killer by handwavium that she couldn't possibly have seen coming, so after the tower scene she knows that she has it in her to be a killer. To enjoy it, even. Sure, Kim can do anything, but it seems to me like that should be a hard thing for a high school student to come to grips with. I'm not a fan of angysty angsting angst, but if anything ought to cause emotional turmoil I'd think, "I almost killed someone, and I enjoyed it," should be up there for a hero like Kim. - * In context instead of isolation: Fear! Shego shows fear. Usually that's reserved for sharks and crocodiles (or was it alligators?) in other words: large carnivores with strong bites and pointy teeth. ** Again, in context instead of isolation: this is a callback to something Shego said earlier, but Shego said she hated a type of situation while Kim says she hates a person. *** Shego's "healing factor" became a thing because no normal human being could have survived any component of what happened to her in that sequence, not even in a Disney cartoon. (The fall alone is what's been used to to kill a lot of Disney villains.) So it was either find an inhuman/abnormal explanation ("The comet made her into Wolverine!") or ignore the series finale. Absolutely. the point being ,sometimes good guys do Bad things! just like some times bad guys do good things. Also Shego is kinda like Wolverine, That comet did wonders for her and her brothers. Which always made made me wonder. How can a teenage cheerleader, with nor real martial arts or combat training, defeat a super heroine turned Villainess ?? I believe shego would let her win, for some reason. Finally that final statement of Kim's " you know what I hate,, YOU!!" . This is something the KiGo shippers always seem to overlook. Especially the fact that Kim Actually enjoyed 'potentially' killing Shego. Ouch, talk about unnecessary shipwrecking. Need I remind you about how Kim and Ron were definitely just best friends in season 3? Yet they seemed to not even realize their feelings. At that moment, Shego was a good representation of all the trauma Kim went through. Kim's reaction was probably all of the hate, frustration, and sadness boiling over. If you remember, their relationship was MUCH better in season 4, especially their friendship in Stop Team Go!. Shego even respected Kim and Ron enough to acquiesce to cleaning up the Lorwardian walker mess while they went and graduated in the finale. ...or Kim really does hate Shego and lied during season 4. Can't really tell, just speculate. As for Shego in So the Drama... I think she intentionally wrecked Drakken's plot. I don't think she REALLY wants Drakken, or any supervillain, to win. Letting him play out his maddie fantasies is fine, but getting to the point of world domination? Shego'll put a pebble in the gears. Didn't any of you think it was weird that after all that careful planning Drakken was suddenly so careless as to leave Kim's backpack AND Rufus in there WITH them? Nah, I think Shego did that because she knew that with that in place everything else would end up as normal. In fact, it may have been her need to clearly sabotage things that kept her from hanging with Drakken for that chunk of season 4. He almost succeeded, even with her lackluster help. I imagine that shook her a bit and made her wanna go for the 'lesser' evils of Eddie and Junior. I don't think she expected to be used, abused, and objectified as she was. And then the jealousy and realization that just like she ditched him, he can ditch her too... But I'm getting off topic. Basically, Shego likes the villain scene but doesn't actually want 'evil' to win, hence why she keeps breaking Drakken's (and, occasionally, other supervillains') plots in mostly imperceptible ways. Pulls her punches against Kim since she doesn't wanna be a murderer, causing little problems here and there, all that sorta stuff.
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Post by wolfandlionpower on Mar 16, 2016 20:58:03 GMT -5
That's true... I guess that scene when Kim kicks Shego at the tower and punching Drakken could symbolize that Kim has nothing to stop her from doing the death deed. Go thing she didn't....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2016 21:03:28 GMT -5
Absolutely. the point being ,sometimes good guys do Bad things! just like some times bad guys do good things. Also Shego is kinda like Wolverine, That comet did wonders for her and her brothers. Which always made made me wonder. How can a teenage cheerleader, with nor real martial arts or combat training, defeat a super heroine turned Villainess ?? I believe shego would let her win, for some reason. Finally that final statement of Kim's " you know what I hate,, YOU!!" . This is something the KiGo shippers always seem to overlook. Especially the fact that Kim Actually enjoyed 'potentially' killing Shego. Ouch, talk about unnecessary shipwrecking. Need I remind you about how Kim and Ron were definitely just best friends in season 3? Yet they seemed to not even realize their feelings. At that moment, Shego was a good representation of all the trauma Kim went through. Kim's reaction was probably all of the hate, frustration, and sadness boiling over. If you remember, their relationship was MUCH better in season 4, especially their friendship in Stop Team Go!. Shego even respected Kim and Ron enough to acquiesce to cleaning up the Lorwardian walker mess while they went and graduated in the finale. ...or Kim really does hate Shego and lied during season 4. Can't really tell, just speculate. As for Shego in So the Drama... I think she intentionally wrecked Drakken's plot. I don't think she REALLY wants Drakken, or any supervillain, to win. Letting him play out his maddie fantasies is fine, but getting to the point of world domination? Shego'll put a pebble in the gears. Didn't any of you think it was weird that after all that careful planning Drakken was suddenly so careless as to leave Kim's backpack AND Rufus in there WITH them? Nah, I think Shego did that because she knew that with that in place everything else would end up as normal. In fact, it may have been her need to clearly sabotage things that kept her from hanging with Drakken for that chunk of season 4. He almost succeeded, even with her lackluster help. I imagine that shook her a bit and made her wanna go for the 'lesser' evils of Eddie and Junior. I don't think she expected to be used, abused, and objectified as she was. And then the jealousy and realization that just like she ditched him, he can ditch her too... But I'm getting off topic. Basically, Shego likes the villain scene but doesn't actually want 'evil' to win, hence why she keeps breaking Drakken's (and, occasionally, other supervillains') plots in mostly imperceptible ways. Pulls her punches against Kim since she doesn't wanna be a murderer, causing little problems here and there, all that sorta stuff. I reaaalllly like the way you think....... And you're absolutely right on Shego. She'll don the 'bad guy ' clothes, but not go full baddie. Wouldn't it be funny if she turned out to be a "Team Go" plant.... Join evil, just to foil it from within...... Oh, the irony....
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Post by neosaiyanangel on Mar 16, 2016 21:18:18 GMT -5
If I had to pick a Dungeons and Dragons/Pathfinder alignment for Shego, I'd pick chaotic neutral. She's all about 'her'. Claiming to be evil keeps people from asking her for things or bothering her, and it lets her get away with doing all sorts of stuff she wants to do because people assume she's being malevolent because she's evil. Except no, she just does what she wants. She's a honey badger, man.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2016 21:33:10 GMT -5
If I had to pick a Dungeons and Dragons/Pathfinder alignment for Shego, I'd pick chaotic neutral. She's all about 'her'. Claiming to be evil keeps people from asking her for things or bothering her, and it lets her get away with doing all sorts of stuff she wants to do because people assume she's being malevolent because she's evil. Except no, she just does what she wants. She's a honey badger, man. And honey badger don't give a Sh*********************t.
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Post by wolfandlionpower on Mar 16, 2016 22:33:34 GMT -5
If I had to pick a Dungeons and Dragons/Pathfinder alignment for Shego, I'd pick chaotic neutral. She's all about 'her'. Claiming to be evil keeps people from asking her for things or bothering her, and it lets her get away with doing all sorts of stuff she wants to do because people assume she's being malevolent because she's evil. Except no, she just does what she wants. She's a honey badger, man. And honey badger don't give a Sh*********************t. Tenente!!! If I'm going to not shoot for Shego! I'll lecure you for it!!! What am I going to do with?!
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Post by christhecynic on Mar 17, 2016 6:24:00 GMT -5
I'm with people on Shego not really wanting plots to succeed. She takes great joy in pointing out Drakken's failures which seems to indicate that the constant failure to take over the world doesn't bother her much.
Look at A Sitch in Time when she actually took over the world. Where did she end up? Bored in Middleton. She parked her headquarters in her greatest enemy's hometown. Even when she's the one on top and she's won outright by putting in a solid effort, she still doesn't seem to be really trying.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2016 15:22:10 GMT -5
I'm with people on Shego not really wanting plots to succeed. She takes great joy in pointing out Drakken's failures which seems to indicate that the constant failure to take over the world doesn't bother her much. Look at A Sitch in Time when she actually took over the world. Where did she end up? Bored in Middleton. She parked her headquarters in her greatest enemy's hometown. Even when she's the one on top and she's won outright by putting in a solid effort, she still doesn't seem to be really trying. Agreed.
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Post by wolfandlionpower on Mar 17, 2016 19:41:04 GMT -5
I'm with people on Shego not really wanting plots to succeed. She takes great joy in pointing out Drakken's failures which seems to indicate that the constant failure to take over the world doesn't bother her much. Look at A Sitch in Time when she actually took over the world. Where did she end up? Bored in Middleton. She parked her headquarters in her greatest enemy's hometown. Even when she's the one on top and she's won outright by putting in a solid effort, she still doesn't seem to be really trying. Agreed. Wait! It wouldn't make any sense, in the movie sitch in time. Shego took the opportunity and became supreme ruler. But for her to ruin Drakken plans seem unreal. Think about, I wouldn't think Shego purposely let Kim kick her to a very high voltage tower and the possibility to die!? Maybe Shego may not have the strength to survive, despite a healing factor... She's not Deadpool!!! I say the only reason she let Kim win in Stop Team Go because to give her brothers' powers, cause of family. And in Mad Dogs when she help Kim to defeat Warmonga when she was serving Drakken, was out of jealousy, of being a better than her.. Even it is possible that Shego let Kim do to stop Drakken, but what confuse me why?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2016 20:01:26 GMT -5
I love these discussions !!!!!!!!
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Post by wolfandlionpower on Mar 17, 2016 20:18:19 GMT -5
I love these discussions !!!!!!!! [br Me too!!!
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Post by neosaiyanangel on Mar 17, 2016 20:26:42 GMT -5
Wait! It wouldn't make any sense, in the movie sitch in time. Shego took the opportunity and became supreme ruler. But for her to ruin Drakken plans seem unreal. Think about, I wouldn't think Shego purposely let Kim kick her to a very high voltage tower and the possibility to die!? Maybe Shego may not have the strength to survive, despite a healing factor... She's not Deadpool!!! I say the only reason she let Kim win in Stop Team Go because to give her brothers' powers, cause of family. And in Mad Dogs when she help Kim to defeat Warmonga when she was serving Drakken, was out of jealousy, of being a better than her.. Even it is possible that Shego let Kim do to stop Drakken, but what confuse me why? Shego became the Supreme One by ripping off her own idea from her future self. It was amazingly lazy and easy to do, and Drakken had been grinding her gears throughout the whole time travel debacle about how she was just a sidekick. When Shego decides to get some petty revenge, she gets some petty revenge. I don't think she realized how boring it is at the top. Her attempt to stop Kim and Ron right at the end of A Sitch in Time was amazingly lackluster. She even did something she said and knew was a bad plan, knowing it would probably result in a hero win somehow! I'm not saying that Shego meant to get kicked into the tower. There's no way she could've foreseen that. I'm saying that she saw Drakken's plan nearing completion - a plan that looked free and clear a win - and did the only thing she could think of to sabotage it without revealing that she did it. Everyone would think Drakken screwed up while Drakken was left with no idea where he went wrong. And yeah, she was jealous of Warmonga for several reasons. She doesn't want any villain to win with or without her, but she was left realizing that she still wanted to be Drakken's sidekick/partner even without wanting him to win. I think she was happy with the arrangement, but had a case of the grass is greener on top of being afraid of a world-conquering villain winning. Thus hopping over to Eddie and Junior and ignoring Drakken. She just never imagined that Drakken would, in her eyes, betray her by getting another partner/sidekick. I think you're right that she let herself fail in Go Team Go! because she wanted her brothers to have their powers back. She cares about her family but doesn't want to show it at all because they take an inch and try to force a mile. Yeah, she cares... There's no chance she's rejoining them on the team. They would try to insist otherwise and hound her for a while trying to convince her that she really does want to rejoin without knowing it. And so she had to make it look like she was trying to keep them when she wanted the exact opposite. She likes the idea, the freedom, of evil but doesn't really want evil to win.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2016 21:41:47 GMT -5
Neo. I really like the way you analyze these topics. This board is becoming the " thinking Persons" board..... So refreshing.....
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Post by wolfandlionpower on Mar 17, 2016 22:19:33 GMT -5
Neo. I really like the way you analyze these topics. This board is becoming the " thinking Persons" board..... So refreshing..... Is suppose to be!!! We're doing a good job!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2016 22:30:38 GMT -5
Neo. I really like the way you analyze these topics. This board is becoming the " thinking Persons" board..... So refreshing..... Is suppose to be!!! We're doing a good job! Yes, Yes we are. Lemme send you a PM.
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